What do you think would happen to Jehovah's Witnesses as a religion and as a people?
Fred Franztone
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If the Watchtower corporation went bust
by Fred Franztone inwhat do you think would happen to jehovah's witnesses as a religion and as a people?.
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Clearly, undeniably, without doubt ... is there a term for introducing a thought in such a way.
by jwfacts inwatchtower article often introduce a point that has no merit with words such a "undeniably.".
for instance the watchtower 2014 august 15 page 10 says:.
"jehovah undeniably blesses the preaching work of christian women and supports them in times of trial.
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Fred Franztone
I thought they were called 'weasel words'.
They are weasel words. However, weasel words can be the opposite as well. Words like probably and somewhat. They tend to be unnecessary adverbs
I'd call the use of evidently and clearly both weasel wording and poor writing
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Why did you leave?
by Fred Franztone inwe all have many reasons for leaving, most are doctrinal, some are emotional.
it's a religion which obsesses over factual proofs (counterfactual though they are) of its veracity rather than faith, so it's inevitable that most who leave will do so for intellectual reasons.
which doctrine above all others forced you to reconsider your position?
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Fred Franztone
I never said anything about being disfellowshipped
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conversation with a JW about the sun
by neat blue dog injw: didn't we just hear somebody say that the sun's gonna blow up?.
me: well, they were saying that it will expand and eventually burn out.. jw: but it can't do that, it just keeps blowing up inside and getting more power.. me: well, they were talking about stars in general, how they have a life span.. jw: but god didn't make it that way, it's firmly established to time indefinite.
it's not like the sun is a regular star.
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Fred Franztone
2. Our sun might not actually become a Red Giant either, it may just collapse down upon itself to become a white dwarf.
It will most certainly become a red giant, twice in fact, before the outer layers are blown away, leaving a white dwarf
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Facts Don't Win Fights: Here’s How to Cut Through Confirmation Bias
by Brokeback Watchtower infinding common ground more likely to work.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyiozodhkbe.
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Fred Franztone
I have no common ground with JWs
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This probably sounds uppity. I'm saying it anyhow
by stillin inhas anybody else noticed a pattern that is here among us outcasts?
there seems to be, on average, a higher level of intelligence here than there is at the kingdom hall.
actually, intelligent conversation seems to be looked down upon among the witnesses.. also, the simple language skills found here seem to be above average compared to those among the witnesses.
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Fred Franztone
The idea that intelligence has nothing to do with brainwashing is an assertion that gets thrown around a lot. It's unfounded though, never backed up by anything. People take it as a given for no good reason
I'm sure that intelligence and brainwashing must have some relationship, however faint
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A Field Service that gave a shock to the CO
by Ireneus induring one co visit to our congregation, i was asked to work with co as i was a new publisher.
after some ordinary visits, we entered a house where there was only a lady who proved be well-educated.
though it was my turn, i told co to present the good news.
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Fred Franztone
he said: 'We will have some refreshment.'
Why do they talk like that, it makes them sound like a bunch of freaks. I always hated it when I was growing up in the religion
Why can't they just be normal for one moment and say food like everyone else
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This probably sounds uppity. I'm saying it anyhow
by stillin inhas anybody else noticed a pattern that is here among us outcasts?
there seems to be, on average, a higher level of intelligence here than there is at the kingdom hall.
actually, intelligent conversation seems to be looked down upon among the witnesses.. also, the simple language skills found here seem to be above average compared to those among the witnesses.
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Fred Franztone
There are quite a few Christians here, so I'm not sure if I agree
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Did You Ever Find The Theolgy of JWs Reasonable?
by minimus inwhen i was a young man growing up in the religion, i would try to defend whatever the understanding of a doctrine was.
i won a lot of arguments based on the idea that i knew better than anyone i was talking to and defended myself admirably.
(lol)....eventually, i realized i was in a cult but for many years i was a believer and i had faith that the gb knew more that i could understand..
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Fred Franztone
They have so much bullshit that you ever look too critically at anything, they can simply direct your gaze elsewhere, it's a quintessential cult manoeuvre
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Why did you leave?
by Fred Franztone inwe all have many reasons for leaving, most are doctrinal, some are emotional.
it's a religion which obsesses over factual proofs (counterfactual though they are) of its veracity rather than faith, so it's inevitable that most who leave will do so for intellectual reasons.
which doctrine above all others forced you to reconsider your position?
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Fred Franztone
I'm not sure that this is completely accurate. They do a great job at making people believe that that's the case, but no, that's not what they are there for. Their main purpose is to exercise power over other people, not even money. Their teachings and all that study that they have to people doing is just the means, not the end.
It's still an accurate description of how they work the rank and file members, regardless of their motives